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Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor?

Postby Fetzer » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:05 pm

What is the/a legal process used to prove a MM HC applicant could not find a doctor who would process (& sign) HC’s form?

What is the fall back position for those who used Dr. Kamermans service? And, now can not find a doctor?
Is there a Third party to confirm which doctors were approached but that the doctors refused to process (& sign) HC form.
Is a registered letter enough evidence that a medical application was made?
Should an HC application still be submitted to HC?

I guess we also need to know what has already been done – is inexpensive and works.
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Re: Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor

Postby katem » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:45 pm

Ask each doctor that refuses to sign your application for a letter stating their refusal and reasons. A confirmation of your diagnosis in the letter would also be extremely beneficial. A really good lawyer could argue that the declaration of the diagnosis along with the number of grams you propose to use should suffice.
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Re: Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor

Postby Neal » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:29 pm

katem wrote:Ask each doctor that refuses to sign your application for a letter stating their refusal and reasons. A confirmation of your diagnosis in the letter would also be extremely beneficial. A really good lawyer could argue that the declaration of the diagnosis along with the number of grams you propose to use should suffice.
Good Luck!
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Are Doctors obliged to provide you with such a letter?
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Re: Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor

Postby the bard » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:15 pm

Not at all Neal. They owe nothing to nobody.
Cold hard facts.
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Re: Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor

Postby I8ntLucky_UR » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:37 pm

You can put the doctor on notice. If you have a diagnosis and find cannabis helpful and the doctor won`t sign you can give them a letter.

Simply state date and diagnosis and let the doctor know this is working for you where other pills did not. State you have given the doctor information on the MMAR program where you could legally use cannabis as a medicine to treat your illness and the doctor has refused to sign the forms for the government program.

I would go one step further.

Included in the letter put the doctor on notice he or she has put you in a legal quandry with not signing the form. And if you are arrested you will seek damages from the doctor as a result of this refusal to allow you to participate in a government program. Further you will have that doctor participate in your defence during trial.

Send the letter registered mail so someone has to sign for it at the office. Make sure you spell everything out including dates for visits, test results, specialists appointments etc. There is your proof.
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Re: Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor

Postby Neal » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:36 am

the bard wrote:Not at all Neal. They owe nothing to nobody.
Cold hard facts.



My point exactly bard.
My own experience asking my GP of well over thirty years resulted in my file being thrown through the air in an examination room. My experience with cannabis meant nothing. Under his care I had tried every big pharma medication, known up till that time. Even signed away my rights to Health Canada to be a guinea pig for experimental drugs not yet approved by Health Canada. I was close to being fired as a patient for telling my doctor what worked best for me.

Get another Doctor you say? Not that easy to get a GP and establish a relationship at my age (or any age for that matter).

As an example, my youngest child tried for close to seven years to get a family doctor where she lives. Her and her husband had to be interviewed to see if they were acceptable and not to take up much of the Doctors time. She is a health nut. Does not smoke, drink (and anti cannabis). Runs ten K a day and is a strict vegetarian. Highly educated and still had to search high and low for a GP.

Bottom line is the system is fucked and designed to work against us. While I am better off than most it should be noted that sick people should not have to, and are probably not able, to jump through hoops writing letters putting doctors on notice and to trek from doctor to doctor cap in hand. While I do agree with Lucky, who has time to go through the process he describes at the risk of being left without a Doctor?

Sorry for ranting, yet again.
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Re: Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor

Postby MrAmericannabis » Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:04 pm

I am lucky enough to have 2 Doctor's, a GP and a pain management Doctor that gives me 6 nerve blocks every week.
Yet neither will have anything to do with signing for me.
I have a good standing with my Doctors with respect to talking openly as to smoking and eating but neither have any practical education on the matter and won't sign based on that simple fact.
No one can blame a Doctor for that reason and I won't as them to sign a refusal letter.
I would however like some help putting together a presentation that my Doctors could either watch on a TV via DVD or just data disk with research links for them to follow.
I don't want it to be misleading, just straight up raw facts that speaks to its own merit from research studies.
I would also like to make a thread with all the links and presentation for everyone to see and use.

Please PM me any supporting links from places such as U of T, CMA or any other highly reputable studies.
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Re: Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor

Postby awesomesound » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:21 pm

Hi: I disagree it's your Doctors responsibility to search and find the research and studies, that his job, that being said none of them will so see my following quote

"To all Doctors & Politicians go to http://www.calgarycmmc.com/ then click on Cannabis Videos-Updated Daily, Here you find information videos on everything from Dispensaries and how they work to Accredited Doctors explaining the usages, effects, side effects of Cannabis. Look further into this site and you will find studies, research modals and findings. Or if you choose just search Google and you will find all the necessary information you will need including Prescriptions and Dosages per day. Please Do Not say there is not enough Research or Studies for you or your patients to make a honest responsible choice for Cannabis as a medical treatment if the prognosis is warranted, the critically ill and chronic pain suffers don’t have 15 years for Cannabis to be “Accepted “ by the Medical Profession, the Government and Society".
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Re: Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor

Postby Mrx99 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:25 pm

All you need to do, in my opinion, is live in Ontario. The head of the college of physicians for Ontario asked all of his colleagues to not sign any forms in regards to medical marijuana until the Federal Gov. explained to the Doctors just what they wanted the Doctors to do. The Fed. Gov. never replied to any of these requests so why would any Doctor in Ontario sign the Med. Marijuana forms? As far as I can see, they do not sign because of the risk of being treated like Dr. Kameman or worse, having their career destroyed by the police.
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Re: Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor

Postby riledupone » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:17 pm

My doctor wouldn't sign because her bosses told her she wasn't allowed to (it's a community health clinic). She's quite suppoetive of my usuig marijuana and suggested if it helped to just go ahead and use it. When I researched compassion clubs and applied to TCC, my doctor gladly signed the application forms for me and whenever I visit she asks how it's going. I think she's relived that something has been able to make more of a dent in my pain than just morphine.
I don't think me getting all high-handed with her will help anything. She's a great doctor, the best I've ever had, but her hands are tied when it comes to signing for a licence. I suspect she's not the only one. There seems to be a lot of political crap involved, which, of course, is extremely unfair to those of us who are sick and can't get the (all) help they need from prescription pharmaceuticals.
Sigh.

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Re: Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor

Postby Lethe » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:34 pm

If a doctor doesn't want to deal with it apparently they are obligated to point you to a doctor does, after all IT IS LEGAL and IT IS A MEDICAL ISSUE!

When my doctor tried to get out of signing with a variety of issues (You have to get a specialist signature - not anymore..) I carefully typed out three pages on how MM helps a wide variety of my symptoms, how its dangerous to be obtained on the street, and medical studies, and gave it to my Dr. I believe they are suppose to put it on file. Putting it in writing really helps as it documents everything.
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Re: Legal way used to prove HC applicant could't find Doctor

Postby MR. Chronic » Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:56 am

Hey guys !

Do not "expect" a Dr in the system , to buck the system, they don't give a F _ _ck about us especially at the risk of their career and livelihood being threatened (they perceive), many group practitioner's have all agreed to not sign, so it is a needle in a haystack experience asking, or cold calling GP's .

Telling a Dr what to do is a great way of getting fired , I was lucky my GP signed for 6 grams per day for 3 years but...when I needed an increase, welcome to the excuses.....

Instead of banging my head against the wall, I keep my GP for "Western Medicine" And use an actual cannabis specialist Dr for your canabis prescription, although it is between 200-550$ for an appointment, so you need to decide whether that much money is worth being spent.

PM me if you need a Dr for cannabis (not GP's or anything else). If there are lots of people interested and if it's okay with Dom , I will just post the info for a few diferent Dr's.

Good luck everyone :D
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